i don't know if that's even possible right now. the public broadly speaking expects mitt romney to win. low expectations i suppose. the history as your comments suggest is that debates don't tend to change the trajectory of a presidential race very much. there has been a few cases where they have but just a few you are looking at this stage if you are a romney voter or fan for something that would change the apparent course of the election which you look at the thing nationally and it appears to be a pretty tight race. if you look at it in the key states. president obama appears to be ahead nearly everywhere. and by a significant margins in some places such as ohio where it's several points. now, you can't say that it's over. it certainly is not straight line projections are very dangerous in politics. things can change. always on the lookout for something to change it debate might much although it hasn't happened very often. >> bill: i think it's going to happen this year one way or the other. this is the stat that i will point to